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OK. So I will agree to the rule of no proselytizing into TO, which was never my intention anyway but still maintain the utility and pragmatism of Old Testament scripture. That is why I asked for a conversation that was "scripture only, no commentary" in another thread. I would think that this group would insist that Yahweh's Holy Spirit is VERY CAPABLE of enlightening His Word to get to the "Ah Hah" moment for each of us. This population of players on the court each have had those moments where a light illuminates the darkness and we just gotta tell somebody! As a professional corporate trainer I love to see that reflected in the eyes of my students.
Yes!
But it makes a mockery of their claim, and very purpose. Some of us simply suggest that a ministry that promises to serve Him, and discuss His Word, particularly with regards to marriage, should actually do so -- completely, and honestly.
The reason some of you lament that it "keeps coming up" and "people try to get around" the restrictions, is that they are self-defeating. And antithetical to what BF claims to be.
PS> I would've thought few could miss the obvious point: The Roman Church had the same blind spot. And enforced it in a very similar way. To their own eventual 'embarrassment.'
That is patently FALSE! The reason we keep pointing it out, is that the matter has been settled that we will NOT debate over this topic! If one side violates that rule, would you expect the other side to sit back and not respond? You are only right in your own eyes!
It seems you have proven that you do not even understand what "self-contradicting" is -- much less self-defeating.
But your endless 'debating,' and that you 'keep pointing it out,' in spite of saying the exact opposite, is certainly telling.
Our purpose here is not to have in fighting! It is not a foregone conclusion that TO is correct in the first place, any more than it was a foregone conclusion that the sun revolved around the earth! We who do not embrace TO, are thrilled to help out whenever you encounter a TO Bible teacher who spouts untruths regarding the topic of polygyny, and we don't ask you to help us, when we deal with the Joel Saints and the Mike Wingers who do the same, because we know your efforts would produce more harm than good. If we waste all our time fighting each other on this topic of TO, Satan wins, because it distracts us from our core mission. It was not the job of the church to decide whether the sun revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun! Since this is not explicitly stated in Scripture, they would have been best to stay out of the discussion and leave that discussion to the Science community. You are fighting the wrong battle on the wrong battlefield and the administrators have shown tremendous patience with you to not completely ban you from this site, as has happened to others who have been contentious here!
We should not even be having this discussion! Arguing about censorship on this site needs to be completely banned, because this is getting out of hand!
I can see how you come to your frustration. In your mind, you are bringing up an important topic that you think we should all want to know about. Clean eating isn’t just a spiritual discipline, it’s a physical one. Many of us, including me, have seen the light that God’s written instruction has many more insights than we may have been led to believe, especially regarding our diets.
However, some are not content to participate in a genuine discussion. It becomes much more than just a nugget of interest. It becomes a matter of division where people are divided into sheep and goat.
It’s unfortunate, but to maintain order, the owners of this site have concluded that certain topics be avoided to protect bystanders from the fallout of posters who can’t help but go nuclear.
Don’t blame the moderators for enforcing such strict rules. Blame the violators for continuing to drag all of us into their mud.
Ah yes, in my younger days, I was always game to play anybody, anywhere (height, age, race didn’t matter). There’s nothing like a game of pickup bball. One of the things you learn, though, is that you have to go over rules ahead of time no matter where you play. Half court has its own intricacies that differentiate it from full court. You go over rules ahead of time to avoid fights. I would never dare go into a neighborhood park and tell the locals MY rules first. I inquired about theirs. If I could convince them my rules were better, so be it.
In the end, if you want to play, you just swallow your complaints, or take your ball and go home (which brings me to another point of negotiation…who’s ball to play with…bouncy, worn, leather, synthetic… there were always negotiations).
While he keeps on. Even after being embarrassed about it. So, double-down:
And there it is. Time for another new rule? When we start an argument, and then lose it...and then say we weren't arguing...
And, note - this didn't even have to do with the dreaded "T-word." But guess what you accomplished?
I really have no idea whatsoever where you are going with this. If it is not about Torah Observance, it is not banned, unless it is about Flat Earthism.
What is intended as bait? Just follow the rules, and try to get along with everyone, especially the overworked admins!
These six things the Lord hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren
(Proverbs 6:16-19).
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren
(Proverbs 6:16-19).
It’s not necessarily you, your viewpoint or your pragmatism. It’s the fact that some use the discussion as a wedge to divide brothers. Oh, it’s claimed not to be that way, but it ends up that way nonetheless. Rather than expressing a viewpoint amongst other viewpoints, it can be used as a litmus test to decipher the legitimate from the imposters. It always ends up being only one way accepted. When that approach is taken, others are bound to disagree that there’s only one way of seeing things and then it goes sideways, especially when others are intentionally baited into the argument.
In other words, don’t piss on my boots and tell me it’s just raining. Most of us know what some are up to.
You know that is cultic rationale. Nothing i said was wrong but because i was thinking on my own instead of the groupthink you think it is ok to discriminate and demean my character. Intereating note here, i agree with much of the prevailing doctrinal ideas. Now prove that i am the heretic.
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