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Exodus 22:16-17: "pre-marital sex" = the beginning of marriage?
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Only a leftist would consider that to be murderous and bloodthirsty! God ordered the death penalty for Israel! It is those same leftists who think that God is murderous and bloodthirsty!
Yes.
No.
That is for God to decide, if they will turn to Him in repentance. The death penalty is a pretty good motivator for said repentance.
And how would you make the determination of what the future holds?
Same here! Does the name Kenneth McDuff ring a bell?
I respect the dignity of human life in order to carry out swift execution of those who deny others their right to life. Scripture is clear that God's chosen people were to purge the evil from among them. We ought to do the same!
Innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt!
And it prevents re-offending by 100% while ridding the land of evil.
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That is proper respect for human life, prevention of future occurrences.
But you do. If you say execute someone, you stop their possible redemption. So you did decision.
Where it says so? Could be motivation for even more defiance.
Practical reasoning. We need to keep criminal from harming others again. If criminal keeps escaping "his containment" and does evil, what else can I do? He is already given chance to behave.
I would also do it for mass murder.
Nope.
Do you realize you have just told Lord to do death penalty on you?
How exactly....?
Well, what is penalty for sin? Death.
So obvious choice is asking Lord for Mercy and not his Law.
You see, there is little issue of estopel. You can't justify death for others without same punishment being applied to you. You must stay consistent.
So if we should execute murderer because Lord's law, then Lord should execute you for every sin because Lord's law. See, same rule for you as for murderer.
I prefer Lord's Mercy and therefore I should give mercy to others, so that Lord can't use my behaviour as reason not to give me a Mercy.
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This is legal standard which says under which condition we should say suspect is considered guilty.
And it's nonsense to use for some crimes, like crossing road during red light.
But there is also question for which crimes which penalty.
An offender is innocent until proven guilty.
At that point they don’t rate even as much respect as they showed their victim.
Their Creator made the rules, why would we attempt to soften them?
Yah’s Word is specific enough for me.
Yet, there are humans that are broods of vipers.
The Creator is clear - purge the evil from among you. Without consequences there is no fear - and without fear rises wickedness. Those that reject the Father’s instructions on purging support wickedness (Proverbs 28:4).
The whole world is going to hell, and I can’t believe people are still questioning the Father in Heaven.
His instructions are perfect - reviving the soul. So why would we not follow his instructions?
Leviticus 19:29 - If fathers allow their daughters to become whores - then sin will grow - and the whole nation will turn to wickedness.
There are two safeguards to prevent this:
1. Mandatory bride price for taking a virgin.
2. Shaming of whores.
People decided to remove the first safeguard a long time ago.
The second safeguard has been recently taken out - through the sexual revolution, and accelerated through technology (internet/social media).
Both safeguards have now been removed. What is the result? Rise of sin and Christian countries have become wicked.
What is the light of America (and Europe)? Only fans and bachelors? Divorce and abortions? Western civilization is sick, and the curses for dis obedience are already here. A nation that is sick has no right to judge another nation, or attempt to change them.
What part of "He does not bear the sword in vain" do you have trouble comprehending?
The testimonies of those who find themselves on death row.
Your definition of "practical" is laughable!
Usually mass murderers are successful at ending their own lives before they are even arrested.
Do the research then. It was because of liberal activist judges, that he was able to eventually get set free and he did kill others!
10 out of 10 people die.
And it will happen one day, unless the Lord returns and I am caught up together with those who have died in Christ and meet them in the air.
Indeed, as sinners we come to Christ as the song says, "just as I am".
Not true at all. There is a difference between premature death someone has inflicted on others, and death caused by our decaying bodies, that will occur eventually, unless we are part of the generation who is still faithful to Christ when He returns.
There is a huge difference between execution and death that will one day occur as a result of the sins that we have done. Understand that the passage you pulled that from "the wages of sin is death" is part of a chapter that starts off with the question "Should we continue in sin in order for grace to abound?" Paul was laying out the reason for why we who are now dead to sin should NOT live any longer therein!
We all need His mercy. Even the thief on the cross needed His mercy, and he received it, even though he was not taken down from the cross, until his legs were broken, preventing him from coming up for air, resulting in his physical death. Likewise we come to the foot of the cross, knowing that our mortal decaying bodies will one day perish, but that our soul and our spirit will one day receive resurrected bodies, and we will inherit eternal life, because of that mercy He has already bestowed upon us.
He or she receives the same respect, and in many cases, more respect than they showed their victims.
So, at the moment judge(s)/jurors declare someone guilty, is it OK to spit in face of convict, torture him?
Did he deserve that?
I didn't see anyone condoning torture. Please give the reference.
Because Lord softens His rules for us?
From when is directly copying Lord bad ides?
And according to Parable of Unforgiving Servant since we should forgive since Lord has forgiven us.
I'm asking how "low" should you treat convict?
If you feel some treatment is "too low", well, you have some moral boarder which shouldn't be crossed.
They bore false witness against him. It was an in-justice. That’s why in the Father’s instructions there is a severe penalty for bearing false witness:
Deut 19:16-21
16 If a false witness rises against any man to testify against him of wrongdoing, 17 both the men between whom is the controversy shall stand before the face of YHWH, before the priests and the judges who serve in those days. 18 And the judges shall make inquiry thoroughly, and behold, if the witness is a false witness—he has testified a falsehood against his brother— 19 then you⁺ shall do to him as he thought to have done to his brother, and you shall put away the evil from among you. 20 And those who remain shall hear and fear, and they shall add not to do this evil thing anymore among you. 21 And your eye shall not pity: Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.